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Long Tieng Assistance trip, 4-9 March 2007

Mac & Sunee Thompson made a road trip up to Long Tieng, LS-20A, on behalf of the TLCB to deliver school supplies the week of 4 March. Must say, it's a somewhat grueling trip, at least portions of it on the highways and byways of Laos.

Sunday 4 March was taken with the drive from home, just north of Bangkok on up to Nong Khai, left my van in secure parking there and we went across the Friendship Bridge to Lao Immigration and on to Vientiane.

Monday was shopping. We had a TLCB Assistance Committee budget to work within so needed to identify what would fit. Checked out some expendable school supplies, writing pads, pens and pencils, and such, sports equipment, soccer balls, badminton sets, etc. Didn't really look like we'd be able to get enough to cover the three schools, Long Tieng Primary, Ban Na Ngua Primary and Secondary. So thought about school books that could be used by all the schools over a period of time.

Talked to a tuk tuk driver outside our hotel who was quite helpful, he took us over to a quasi government printing house, the Education Printing Enterprise. Talked with the staff there, explained the program, number of kids by grade in school, and the budget. They explained that most public schools only received new text books every five years so I figured this would be a good investment. I also included a number of English language primers. They went to work with their pencils and came up with quite a list of books that fit within the budget. These are for 1st through 9th grades. Told us to come back later in the afternoon to pick things up from the warehouse. Did so and delivered them to the outfit from which we rented a 4x4 pickup, with driver.

Tuesday 0700 hrs hit the road, headed out of town on Rt 13S, downstream towards Paksane. At about km 92, Thabok aka Thaphabath, turned north on a very good dirt road which later turns to decent pavement on up to the E-W road between Xaysomboun and Rt 13N, near Vang Vieng. From here it's a bit of a butt buster on the road travel. Stopped for coffee at what I call the Gold Mine Junction where an Ozzie company, Phu Bia Mining, is in operation, then headed north again for two hours to the gate at Long Tieng itself, about 7+ hours one way drive.

The gate guard quite properly, I guess, wouldn't let us in but he did phone up to HQ and a military police captain came down to see what's up. He wasn't real happy to see us but when I showed the receipts for some kip 4,700,000 of school books he agreed to let us through to talk to the "boss" whom I'd met the year before on the trip with Roger Warner. The boss, Bounsouk, seems to be a pretty good sort, he's in the red shirt on some of the photos.

Sunee & I explained what we were doing this trip and Bounsouk called up the head school master for the valley. We then went over to the two schools at Ban Na Ngua to explain to the teachers there what we were up there for and agree to a meeting the next day. Back to Long Tieng and the primary school, same deal with the staff.

I had also wanted to drive over Skyline Ridge to the Sam Thong, LS-20, valley where I was based spring of 1969 with the USAID refugee program but Bounsouk said there'd been a heavy rain a couple weeks prior and the road was still blocked. Will try again next trip.

We asked about RONing at Long Tieng but this was denied so two hours back to the Gold Mine Junction and a not-too-fancy guest house for the night. Good enough restaurant attached, tho, with plenty of cold Beer Lao ( http://www.beer-lao.com/). Up early the next morning, and back to Long Tieng, two hours on the rough road.

Distributions made to the schools followed by a meeting with Bounsouk, who is also the chief of "development" for the area, and the school headmaster. We had some discussion about possible future school projects that the TLCB might be able to assist with depending, of course, on budgets and on cooperation of the participants, the people of Long Tieng. First on the list is a 4-hole toilet facility for the Long Tieng Primary School which has none at present. There are also requests for roofing sheets for one building along with wood siding, with is looking pretty sad at present. This is the building where we had our meeting, it also includes two classrooms. Replacement school furniture was also mentioned as much of what they have isn't in good shape.

Note that the Long Tieng Primary school is still housed in the buildings built back in the mid-to-late 1960s, the wood building and two out of the three rock and concrete buildings.

The two Ban Na Ngua schools are more recent with the secondary school funded by the Lao government 3-4 years ago and the new primary school funded by the Australian government just last year. Also visible in the photos are the remnants of the old pre-1975 rock and concrete school buildings, just about all fallen down now.

After the meeting, lunch, then Sunee & I headed back south. It was too late to make it all the way back to Vientiane so decided to head west via Ban Xon, LS-272, the former USAID base after Sam Thong went DTT in March of 1970, and RON at Vang Vieng, L-16, which I'd last visited in April 1967. Quite some changes in that town in the intervening 40 years! Beaucoup tourists!!

Thursday 8 March, on to Vientiane and across the river to Thailand and some 360 miles drive back home.

Photos at: http://picasaweb.google.com/mactbkk/TLCBLongTiengVisitMarch2007?authkey=C6Z2wd2TjVM

A few notes about Long Tieng these days:

-- No electricity but hope to have it perhaps as early as later this year, the line from the south is just 10 km short of Long Tieng now and poles have been dropped along side the road.

-- They do enjoy Thai TV much more than the stuff on the Lao channel(s), more movies, soap operas, sports and news. Run the TVs off of car batteries. Sunee joked with them about when she was a kid out at Sa Keo, east of Bangkok, same deal in her village, watch the TV picture scrunch down as the battery runs down.

-- The large proposed dam, Nam Ngum 3, on the Nam Ngum river, seems to be on hold for the moment. Funding?? Environmental impact statement lacking? This'll be quite an economic shock for the valley if/when it comes off. There's probably 1,000 people living there now, the dam construction crew could be up to 2,000 more, with a number of foreigners amongst them.

-- In a couple of the photos you'll notice the smoke from upland field burning, sure made for some difficult flying in the old days.

-- There's now daily "bus" service between Xaysomboun, LS-113, and Long Tieng. The "bus" being either an open top 6-wheel truck, or a beat up van.

-- Note the pickup load of scrap metal gathered up in the area. I'm informed by a former U.S. Army O-6 retired friend that these are 155mm.propelling charge shipping containers. The Thai SGU had the155 guns.

-- Saw several cell phones up there but I couldn't get a signal on my Lao SIM card so asked about this. Reply, "they couldn't either but they were handy for taking photos." Good signal tho at the Gold Mine Junction area and all along the E-W road.

-- Area covered is on Jim Henthorn's super mapscan project pages at:

http://www.nexus.net/~911gfx/ne4801.html

http://www.nexus.net/~911gfx/ne4805.html

That's it for now, hope to be able to make another Long Tieng Run in the future.

Mac Thailand, Laos, Cambodia Brotherhood, www.tlc-brotherhood.org


Intelligence Conference at Texas Tech
Included Panel on Secret War in Laos
Featuring Bill Lair, Hugh Tovar,
and Tom Briggs

Conference co-hosted by the Vietnam Center, Texas Tech University
and the CIA Center for the Study of Intelligence
October 2006 Conference

The Vietnam Center at Texas Tech University and the CIA's Center for the Study of Intelligence co-hosted a conference on Intelligence in the Vietnam War.  This conference took place in Lubbock, Texas on October 20-21, 2006, and examined intelligence activities, operations, and analysis during the Vietnam War throughout the entire theater to include Vietnam, Thailand, Laos, and Cambodia.  One purpose of this conference was to learn appropriate lessons that may be applicable to contemporary operations in the War on Terror. To see a list presenters, please visit the Intelligence Conference web site.  Please check back soon as we will add conference videos to the website in November.


Return to SEA Reunion Update by Les Strouse and Mac Thompson


Civil Air Transport and Air America Honored by State of Florida House of Representatives

Air America pilot Terry Luther, a resident of Alaska, sent an e-mail saying that he had contacted a member of the Alaska state legislature asking for CAT/AAM recognition.

With that idea in mind Jesse Walton wrote letters to his Florida state senator and representative. A staff member of Representative Goodlette called Jesse to ask the number of CAT/AAM Florida residents, and if he could send her a list of the names and addresses.

The AAM Association secretary sent Jesse the names of CAT/AAM, Florida residents. For privacy reasons, he asked the permission of each person on the list although there were a number that, regrettably, he could not contact.

He followed up the submitted list of names with a copy of Dr. Bill Leary's lecture at UTD last year, downloaded from the AAM web site. He noted with the 20-page lecture that it was lengthy, but that a brief glance through it's pages would reveal the courage, bravery, and sacrifice of the employees of AAM.

48 people received the Florida House of Representatives tribute. While additional copies are not available, we could probably make an exact duplicate for a reasonable price if anyone is interested.

Please click the link above to read the Tribute.

Submitted by Jesse Walton 9/26/2006


Please send in your Reunion Photos!

A request from Steve N. Stevens:    If anyone  would like their pictures from the 2006 D.C. Reunion to appear in the photo albums and CD's being prepared for display at the next reunion and donated to UTD and Texas Tech, please send them to Steve N. Stevens.  It would really help if they were edited to include a caption with names and, if possible, put on a CD.  When finalized, a "Master CD"  will be available.


Special Documentary Project by Roger Warner
www.ciafilm.com

Here's a tidbit: a micro-documentary, about six minutes long, about a return to Long Tieng. The valley, closed to Westerners for thirty years after the commies took over, is just beginning to open up. Bill and I tried to get into 20A together, and explored a number of leads. But for those particular connections to ease our way in, Bill would have had to stay in SEA much longer than he had planned, and he had important family commitments to fulfill back in Texas. The information Bill and I gathered, however, was enough to justify a second expedition after Bill left.

This time my traveling companion was Mac Thompson, ex-USAID/Laos, ex- skydiver, and an aficionado of homebrew beer. Mac and I figured our chances at about 50-50.  Thanks to good luck and Mac's phenomenal ability to bullshit in fluent Lao, we got into Long Tieng for a very brief visit, all that was permitted. But we ended up drinking beer with the base commander, and we believe we have done our bit for making travel there a bit easier for other people in the future.

The short and funky film can be seen on my project website, www.ciafilm.com. (Apologies for the domain name, but it was available, and it's easy to remember.)  Go to the main website page, and you should see a link at the bottom of the screen for bonus footage on Long Cheng. Click on it, and be patient, because even with a fast modem connection it can take a couple of minutes to load.

If your computer has any problems, other than loading speed, you should know that the movie is in Flash software, which comes already installed on most computers. If your computer doesn't have Flash installed, you may need to download the latest (free) version as a plug-in for your web browser.

Respectfully,

Roger Warner


Request from Margaret Leary

After the memorial service, many people - especially Bill's children - have said to me that they learned a lot about him after he was gone and regretted not knowing more about other sides of his life.

Bill's birthday is in May.

Do you have a story or a memory of him which you could send along to me? I'd like to compile something to give to his children, as a reverse birthday present . I'm sure it will tell me something new, as well.

Any replies may be sent to me:  mmleary@earthlink.net

Thank you!


Special Log Submitted to Congress for Civil Service Status


Civil Service Update


Air America Association By-Laws Posted to Website


Lao, Hmong and American Veteran's Memorial

On July 28th. the Lao, Hmong and American Veteran's Memorial committee met and we set the ground breaking, (start of construction), for September 24, 2005. The Memorial will tell the story of the Hmong, other hill tribes and the American military and civilians, who fought and died in the "secret war" in Laos. The other half of the 24, engraved, granite panels will list the names of those who served (and who have donated $100 to have the name engraved).

The names of the 116 USA Special Forces and 70 Air America KIA in Laos, will be included (paid for by DVD sales). I look forward to getting the names of CASI, KIAs so that they can also be included. We have raised over $92,000 with the proceeds of the "Secret War" DVD, contributing $15,000+ to the total to date. Last weekend, I sold $1800 worth of DVDs at the annual Hmong Veterans Recognition Day, in Milwaukee. It was also great to see Bill Lair and BG Heinie Aderholt, in good health and still actively supporting the Hmong.

The total cost of the Memorial will be $130,000 and we expect to raise the remainder over the winter, while the concrete footing and base cures (phase 1). Phase 2 (next spring), involves laying the pavers, landscaping and fixing the engraved 3'x4'x1" granite panels to the concrete base.

I would appreciate it if you would get the word out to all who may be interested in supporting the Memorial. For those who would like to learn more about the Memorial, buy the DVD for $23.00, or contribute please see my web site at:

You can send checks to:

Secret War Memorial
8575 Northeim Lane
Newton, WI 53063

Thank you,

Steve Schofield
Major, SF, USAR (Ret)
USAID Laos 1969-1975


Two More Congressional Supporters for HR 1276 - Civil Service Bill

There are two new co-sponsors to HR 1276 as of July 19, 2005 -- Rep Jo Ann Davis of Virginia and and Rep Madeleine Bordallo, delegate from Guam.


"Last Flights:  Air America and the Collapse of South Vietnam"

A Public Lecture by Dr. William Leary

August 13, 2005 (4 p.m.)
McDermott Library Auditorium


CIVIL SERVICE UPDATE PAGE

 


Earthquake's Final Flight - Prints by Jeff Bass Now Available


New Video Online:  French Award Ceremony for CAT Pilots


Father Bouchard to return to the US

March 11, 2005 from Western Borneo which is now called Kalimantan.

Father Bouchard started working in Western Borneo in September 1977. For the past nine years, he has been assigned to a mission area of 23 villages. It takes him about 2 months to visit all of the villages. He visits 13 villages by outboard motor and the ten other by motorcycle or on foot. While he loves his work, his age ( 76 this month) and a two year back problem is making it more and more difficult to visit the villages of his parish. He has decided to go back permanently to the USA.

He will send his new address when he gets his assignment in the United States.

Submitted March 30, 2005 by Mac Thompson


Remains identified as those of Creswell spy pilot - Robert Snoddy

Pentagon Determines That Remains Found in China Are US Spy Pilot's

March 25, 2005

Civil Service Credit – submitted by Senator Reid

The bill on Civil Service Credit was submitted by Senator Reid (D) NV on Thursday April 29th. The number is S.2367. You can click on http://thomas.loc.gov insert the number & type in 'air america', click 'search' and scroll down to S.2367. The bill has been referred to the Senate Committee on Government Affairs. This is a crucial time and anyone interested in the outcome should think this over carefully. This is NOT a political undertaking. It entails past employees of a US Government proprietary company seeking redress through their elected congressional representatives to right a past omission in the government code. All must get off our collective duffs and ask out respective Senators by written letter, E-mail, telephone, or in person to support S.2367. A companion bill will soon be introduced in the House of Representatives and a further notice will be given at that time so you can additionally contact your representative. The present congress adjourns in late summer and passage should be completed in this session.  

Submitted by Jesse Walton and Jack Knotts 05/04/2004


STAMP EFFORT CAMPAIGN,  2004

In the past two years we have received 220 completed Stamp Effort forms. The CSAC has received them along with some supplemental updates to the presentation. 

The Stamp is still under consideration. However, it is time to have a bigger impact on the Citizens Stamp Advisory Committee. Due to the nature of their procedures, the best way to do this is with a high volume of filled out Stamp Effort forms. These are available one the Stamp Effort page of our web site.

We hope to provide the CSAC with at least 2000 requests in a few weeks time. Therefore we need all members to chip in, even if they are submitting a second or third request. Feel free to contact any relatives, kindred organizations, your divorce attorney, or even the town crier.

If you need any back up, feel free to contact Jeff Blanchford at the UBS

Email address: jeffrey.blanchford@ubs.com 

 Cheers, Jeff Blanchford


Research Assistance Sought

I am currently compiling a detailed order of battle of the Lao armed forces (Royalist Army, Royalist Air Force, Neutralists, irregulars, Thai) for publication late in 2004. Would like to hear from any members who have shoulder insignia, wings (including Lao pilot’s wings) or qualification certificates (airborne qualification, for example) for any and all of these units down to the battalion level. Also, any period photographs showing these insignia being worn. Contributors will get full photo credit and a copy of the book. Please contact Ken Conboy, 4700 Burley Hills Drive, Cincinnati, Ohio, 45243. email: ken.conboy@rmaindonesia.com


Veteran Status Information 

Please click here for additional information required to apply for this status. 

The group Application for veteran service has been accepted for review.  A notice has been placed in the Federal Register. You can access the notice at this web site:

Please click here for a copy of the Amended Notice posted to the Federal Register

The title is restricted more than desired, but all that could be supported with the evidence available. The notice grants 60 days to receive documents as evidence to support the claims for veteran service eligibility. Any person, including former employees, whether U.S. Citizen or foreign national, who has evidence to support the claim that CAT/Air America employees, whether foreign or U.S. Citizens, supported the United States Military between 1950 and 1976 are encouraged to do so before the 60 day period elapses. The documents may be in the form of old schedules, or eye witness accounts on notarized letters. The address is on the notice. Information has been received to strongly indicate that veteran service and civil service retirement are two separate issues and acceptance of one would not effect the other. Further information can be obtained through Allen Cates at <setac@setac.com>

Submitted 1/19/2004


Civil Service Retirement Benefits Information  

"We are pleased to announce that several former AAM/AACL/CAT/SAT employees have been contacting members of Congress seeking legislation that would provide civil service retirement benefits for their employment with these companies. This is based on the fact that the corporations were owned by the U.S. Government and historically U.S. citizen employees of government owned corporations have been considered to be Federal employees for retirement purposes.  The Board of Directors of the Association is cooperating in this effort since it would be beneficial to many of our members, including the surviving spouses of deceased employees.  Retirement benefits are payable to those persons who have five years credited service, thus benefits would be payable only to those employees who had five years service with the companies or who have a combined total of five years service including employment with other Federal agencies. In addition under some circumstances periods of military service may be added in computing benefits. 

   We have been advised by the office of Senator Harry Reid of Nevada that he may introduce legislation in this respect and we have received encouraging responses from other members of Congress. Any legislative action will not take place until after Congress reconvenes next year. Senator Reid will need support from other Senators and representatives so it will be helpful if our members who are interested will write to their own members of Congress and seek their support.  In our next issue we will provide more information on this matter along with sample letters and other documents that can be used.  If you are interested in pursuing this immediately please contact Jesse Walton at 1083 North Collier Blvd. #215, Marco Island, FL 34145, telephone 239-642-5324, or e-mail Jesse at jwalton00@comcast.net

   We have recently published information on our web site about a similar effort by former employees who are seeking veterans status for flight crew members and aviation ground support personnel of CAT,Inc. and AAM.  An application has been filed with the concerned USAF office that handles such matters.  The Association is also cooperating with this effort and our web site furnishes information on how support may be provided for this."   

(PLEASE NOTE: This does not address the question of whether you can have both civil service credit and veterans status and I suggest we don't try to get into that for now as it is rather complicated. The above notice lets members know both efforts are being made and lets them know they can support one or both. I think it is better for now to say Senator Reid 'may' introduce legislation even though it is fairly certain he will do so)

 

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